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Oh goodness, is that a joke, Kali? Tama’s gotten to you! His snark is infectious! Run! Run while you still can keep a somber and practical outlook on life!!

For those of you that enjoyed my first article on the antagonist’s tale, you’ll be happy to hear that I have made a second addition to the series! This time studying Wreck it Ralph and Pitch Black. You can find it here!

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One thing I find very interesting is the idea of maintaining the antagonist taboo, but escaping the negative “destined to fail” elements. Too often, antagonist characters that are “reformed” end up pale mockeries of themselves. They are, more accurately, broken in order to fit into the societal mould. What I find much more intriguing is the characters that manage to preserve the taboo element, but change in other ways such that they can become contributing members of their world. This change almost always stimulates change in the society as well, because it must adapt to this still-taboo, but partially suitable member. As a result, both parties grow. The most common elements so far have been changing one’s self-perception and developing empathy. However, with the characters that DON’T escape (Loki and Pitch) it’s a fun exercise to try and come up with other ways the villains could avoid destruction without damaging their taboo. I explore a few at the end of the article with Pitch, but I’d be eager to hear any other suggestions! How can someone with a taboo element of their personality co-exist with society without hiding who they are?

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I had the idea to have a main character that had something bad happen to him, say his child is kidnapped. Through the story, we start to realize that this main character isn’t a good person. (Backstory would have to be put in to show that it isn’t the kidnapping of his child that corrupted him, or leave it open to interpretation.) The fact that his child has been kidnapped would give him a certain amount of likability. I’m not sure that that addressed your question, but I thought it was relevant.
On a similar note, I saw that there is going to be a Despicable Me 2. I wonder how they are going to address Gru’s character arc and if it will work or be a bad sequel like so many are.

Hmmm, Antagonists are tricky to begin with. An antagonist isn’t NECESSARILY the Bad Guy, he or she is just the person the protagonist doesn’t agree with or has a conflict with.

Case in point, Renate isn’t a bad guy, he suffers his own demons because of what was done to him (IE turned to a vampire against his will). However he is TOHS’s primary antagonist, because Cabal believes Renate’s responsible for his mother’s madness (And the fact that Cabal had to kill her to stay alive.)

In endgame nothing about Renate changes per say – EXCEPT Cabal’s perception of him.

I always thought that was the more intriguing way to approach antagonism. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve had some through and through bad guys before…but they don’t all fall into the “bad guy” antagonist category.

So…this is a continuation of the last strips conversation… She is an Arab, Appaloosa mix and she’s bay, fading to black on her ear tips and the ends of her legs 🙂 Very pretty. And yes…sassy and headstrong are fantastic if you can out sass them and are /more/ headstrong than they are, which…truthfully depends on the day 🙂

I haven’t read your antagonists’ tales yet; I’m saving them as a reward for later today. They look tasty.

Living with taboo elements of personality, huh? I think I actually do that. I am an extremely analytical person. Don’t get me wrong, I have plenty of emotions and my empathy kicks like a mule; I thrive on being creative and expressing myself. But I am analytical to a level that can creep people the f**k out when I explain my thought processes sometimes. It depends a lot on who’s hearing me, and how well I am doing on communication skills that day, but I can come across as a psychotic cold-hearted calculating snake. The only one of those words that really applies to me is “calculating”, but it stings to hear that being used as a negative thing.

I live with it several ways. I make myself useful; I’m in a profession where “calculating” is a useful trait, where forethought and insight are valued. I work hard on my communication skills; I figure out what information the person I’m talking to will be able to use, and I put it together in front of their eyes at a pace that they can understand and sympathize with. I know, in my heart of hearts, that “calculating” is no different from “strong” or any other word that means “powerful”; it’s what you do with the power you have that makes you good or bad. Power itself is always just a tool.

It sounds like you’ve gone to great lengths to bridge the gap between your personality type and the world around you. Communication skills, in particular, I think are key! And you’re also doing a good job of trying to find the positive elements of a word. “Calculating” can be an incredible gift for good in the right hands! I think you’ll like the articles — they characters using a lot of tactics quite similar to your own!

If you haven’t already done it in the first article (I’m saving both reads for a rainy day), it might be interesting to see an Antagonist’s Tale focusing on Dr. Horrible. THAT is a gold mine for antagonist/protagonist hero/villain comparisons and analysis.

As for the page today… uh-oh. Kali, don’t make jokes like that. They might turn out a bit too literal for your liking…

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